Trout Summit 2002
Transcriptions of Chart Paper Notes from Breakout Groups
Parking Lot Group ?
Fish Bowl Group ?
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Wild Trout Questions Group
1/Allegheny
Comments to
Question 2
· Resource first
· Clearing house
· Grant writing assistance
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More focus on buffers and fencing
Discuss Stocked Trout Questions Group 1/Allegheny
Question # 1
What factors should the commission consider in determine how many adult trout should be stocked each year?
Comments to
Question 1
i. Water temps
ii. Flow volume
i. Public/private
ii. Proximity to stream
i. Brings anglers, Quality ↓
ii. More diverse view
iii.
Legal size/mile means little to anglers
Question #6
What are the most important objectives that fisheries managers should consider in adjusting management for stocked trout fisheries?
Comments to Question 6
Discuss Water Quality & Habitat Improvement Questions-Group
1/Allegheny
Question #1
Youve heard a briefing on the Commissions habitat improvement efforts. What are your ideas about the most important elements of a successful habitat improvement program?
Comments to
Question 1
Question #4
Although PA has millions of acres of public land, the fact is that over 75% of the Commonwealths trout waters (both stocked and wild) are on private lands. What can be done to encourage private/public partnerships to insure that these lands and waters remain protected and open for public fishing for generations yet to come?
Comments to
Question 4
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Wild Trout Questions Group
2/Delaware
Question #1
What are the most important elements of a desirable wild trout fishery?
Comments to Question 1
· Location
· Solitude
· Number of larger trout (species specific)
· Health of watershed
· Habitat (physical)
· Trout species composition brook trout
Question #2
What fisheries management efforts do you believe are most important in improving wild trout populations?
Comments to Question 2
· Habitat improvement
· Watershed restoration and protection
· Limiting harvest
· Dont stock class A streams and enforce
· Dont stock Class B streams that could be Class A waters as determined by fisheries management
· More frequent surveys of wild trout
Question #4
What are your ideas on the role of harvest as part of a wild trout fishery?
Comments to Question 4
· Very Limited
· Reduced creel limit
· Harvest is ok, keep current creel limit
· Maintain harvest to maintain interest
· Creel limit of 2
· Stream specific harvest regs
· Slot limit to protect spawning fish
· Manage brook and brown differently
Question #5
What are your opinions on supplementing the wild trout fisheries on particular waters by stocking?
Comments to Question 5
· Stock hatchery trout in wild trout streams to maintain your anglers interest t
· Stock additional fish in places that would not hurt wild trout, manage brook and brown differently
· Dont stock trout in high quality trout streams
· Supplement Class B streams with hatchery fish
· More public education to support proper management
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Stocked Trout Questions Group 2/Delaware
Question #4
What advantages and disadvantages would there be in considering two opening days, one earlier that the present, that would accommodate the seasonal difference throughout the state?
Comments to
Question 4
· Delaying stocking due to inclement weather
· Potential loss of economics benefit to destination areas
· Why need an opening day?
· Tightened time frames can lead to less even distribution of fish
· More crowded streams on both opening days
§ Disadvantage more pressure on privately owned lands could lead to loss of streams
§ Advantage extended fishing opportunities
§ Could attract anglers who might otherwise miss opening day
§ People would travel from region to region, leading to crowded conditions
§ No closed season
§ Problems with stocking logistics
§ Take advantage of good weather leading to more fishing opportunities
§ Boundary problems
§ Earlier opening date statewide
Question #2
Assuming the Commission has a fixed (and relatively stable) amount of money to devote to stocked trout programs and major infrastructure needs, what are your ideas on the bet way to allocate and spend this money?
Comments to
Question 2
· Commission should fix effluent issues (9) hatcheries
· Put more emphasis on infrastructure and less on stocking fish, short term
· Explore new hatcheries on tail waters and mine discharges, and curtail limestone stream hatchery production
Question #7
What factors should the Commission use in deciding where to stock trout?
Comments to
Question 7
· Stock where the public wants to fish
· Stock where there are no trout
· Eliminate double stocking by co-ops
· Access
· Stream size, water quality and habitat
· Ownership
· Stock where there is no viable wild trout fishery
· Viable = ability to catch a limit of trout consistently
· Stock where there is no adverse impact on wild trout pops.
Stock non naturally reproducing or fin clip fish to determine the potential for a wild trout fishery and reduce harvest on target trout species.
Question #5
Delayed harvest regulations are one of the tools used by the Commission to manage stocked trout fisheries. What factors should be considered in determine when and how to use delayed harvest management on particular waters.
Comments to
Question 5
· Brings additional anglers into the pop.
· Loss of anglers opportunities to the general public
· All tackle delayed harvest
· Lack of use in open waters due to perception
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Loss of fish due to mortality
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Water Quality & Habitat Improvement Questions-Group
2/Delaware
Question #4
What can be done to encourage private/public partnerships to insure that these lands and waters remain protected and open for public fishing for generations yet to come?
Comments to Question 4
· Purchase easements
· Combat littering
· Have regs that landowner wants
· Encourage adoption of streams
· Additional regulations to protect landowners
· PFBC provide to landowners (signs, etc.) personal contact
· PFBC educate anglers on conduct for fishing on private land (getting permission, picking up litter, ask landowner for any chores the angle can do)
· encourage local govts to incorporate public use requirements into zoning rules/ordinance
· 25 fishing
· 50 Conservation
§ if land was subdivided or solo for development
Question #1
What are your ideas about the most important elements of a successful habitat improvement program?
Comments to
Question 1
· Partnership with private and public
· Fencing and grazing areas
· Resource first for fish
· Increases trout biomass
· Riparian corridor maintenance and preservation
Question #2
What do you see as the Commissions role in habitat improvement implementation?
Comments to
Question 2
· Check with organizations and groups for projects
· Technical assistance
· Get info out to public such as press releases
· Easement purchase and buying land
· Mow less
· Continue our adopt a stream program
· PFBC have greater involvement of habitat projects
Question # 5
What are your ideas about how these programs, which benefit all Pennsylvanians, should be funded in the future?
Comments to
Question 5
· PFBC raise the money bonds out of general fund
· Permit fees reflect cost payable to PFBC
· Growing greener or tipping fee monies
· Portion of an increased cost of trout stamp to habitat improvement
· Portion of state sales tax
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Stocked Trout Questions Group 3/Erie
Question #5
Delayed Harvest Regulations are one of the tools used by the Commission to manage stocked trout fisheries. What factors should be considered in determining when and how to use delayed harvest management on particular waters?
Comments to
Question 5
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Fall stocking use for as long of a period as
possible.
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Allow larger streams to be considered
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Add more streams to the program
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Adjust stocking rate based on use
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Allow less restrictive tackle to kids
Question #3
What actions should the Commission take to better promote the stocked trout fishery?
Comments to
Question 3
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Stock large streams
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Take the pressure off the small streams
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Put out county maps promoting this info.
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Urban trout stocking program
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Urban trout stocking
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Survey anglers about FL increase
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Increase educational efforts to costs of
programs
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Spread fish during in season stockings
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Identify the goal of stocked trout fishery
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Announce more in season stockings
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Close streams after in season stockings
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Promote program in schools
Question #1
What factors should the Commission consider in determining how many adult trout should be stocked each year?
Comments to
Question 1
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Costs
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Use marginal streams away from smaller
streams/wild streams
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Look at habitat to get #s stocked
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Larger Fish Fewer fish
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Grade fish for stocking based on habitat
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Use performance data to determine stocking #
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Put the stocked fish where anglers go
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Consider angler mobility
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Anglers will adjust
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Match angler success rate to stocking #s
Question #6
What are the most important objectives that fisheries managers should consider in adjusting management for stocked trout fisheries?
Comments to Question 6
· Impact on wild trout
· Angler use can be controlled
· Impact on the environment
· Use angler use/angler trips data instead
· More Saturday stockings
· Junior license at nominal cost
· Junior trout stamp
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Wild Trout Questions Group
3/Erie
Question #5
What are your opinions on
supplementing the wild trout fisheries on particular waters by stocking?
Comments to Question 5
· No stocking of Class A waters
· Consider stocking waters that are not high quality wild trout based on research
· Do not jeopardize any sustainable wild population
· No stocking any wild trout fishery
· Manage stream based on carrying capacity
· Habitat improvement
· Determine limiting factors before supplementing/stocking
· Re-establish wild trout populations by stocking, due to drought loss, etc.
· Supplement all wild trout fisheries by stocking
· Consider fingerling stockings based on research
Question #1
What are the most important elements of a desirable wild trout fishery?
Comments to Question 1
· Sustainable fishery
· Quality of the experience
· Size and Number
· Catch rat 2/3 per hour (legal size)
· #3 with habitat considerations
· The challenge of the fishery
· Surroundings and aesthetics
· Species found in the fishery
· Do not consider the #of legal size trout per mile of stream
· Need to know adult fish per mile and biomass
Question #2
What fisheries management efforts do you believe are most important in improving wild trout populations?
Comments to
Question 2
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Conduct a through assessment on each water and
come up with a management plan
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Ban or limit harvest
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Special regs. On all Class A & B
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Increased enforcement
issues
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Shift funds to wild trout management
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Educational improvement regarding wild trout
management
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Water Quality & Habitat Improvement Questions-Group 3/Erie
Question #5
The Commissions habitat improvements and environmental services programs are currently funded largely through the Fish Fund. What are your idea about how these programs, which benefit all Pennsylvanians, should be funded in the future?
Comments to
Question 5
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State sub. To fund access
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Tap into sales tax and other tax sources
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Conservation stamp sales
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Motor vehicle license plates
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Partnering with various conservation
organizations
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Dedicate matching grants to adopt-a-stream
projects.
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Promote adopt-a-stream program
Question #1
Youve heard a briefing on the commissions habitat improvement efforts. What are your ideas about the most important elements of a successful habitat improvement program?
Comments to
Question 1
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More money more access
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Increase staff in existing programs (habitat
improvement program)
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Pro-active habitat work
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Partnering with conservation organizations
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Determine limiting factors be more pro-active
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Better reporting of accomplishments
Question #2
What do you see as the Commissions role in habitat improvement programs?
Comments to
Question 2
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Provide leadership to prioritize projects
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Keep track of projects
Questions #3
Youve heard a briefing about the subject of PCBs and
other chemicals in stocked and wild fish in
Comments to
Question 3
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Maintain summary book and news releases
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Promote catch and release
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Maintain perspective on health effects, risks
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Better education
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Must get word out that fish are safe
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Provide comparison other states
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Give public info they can relate to
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Drop advisory
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Wild Trout Questions Group 4/Lunch
Question #3
When wild trout populations o a particular stream do not improve with management, what actions do you believe would be the most important or appropriate to address the situation?
Comments to
Question 3
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Saturday announced (lakes) ok
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Stream announce not good idea
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Fish for free 2 weeks into season
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Youth only areas high use areas
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Advertise!
· Dont Panic
· Identify carrying capacity
· Dont rush to stock dont rush to do
· Some streams dont support wild trout (catchable) allow continued stocking.
· Further study stream
· Begin to stock is not a siz?
· Do everything to bring to class A then stock
Question #4
What are your ideas on the role of harvest as part of a wild trout fishery?
Comments on
Question 4
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No harvest=improved stream
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No limited harvest = improved stream
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Segment streams harvest/no harvest
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Harvest stock release wild
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Reduced creel for wild trout
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Harvest impacts some streams and not others
selective harvest
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Identify how important harvest/fishing is to
users
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Management goals = strat. Maximize resource
am I making best use?
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Harvest is fun
· Big part of fishing
· Why kill
· No fits all regulations
· Educate the public
· K.i.s.s. regulations
· Know and understand questions before trying to get answers
Question #5
What are your opinions on supplementing the wild trout fisheries on particular waters by stocking?
Comments to
Question 5
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Dont use band-aid approach to supplement wild
stocks
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Find problem
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Generally class A should not be stocked
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Stocked fish hurts wild
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Does b need stock?
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Wild trout populations fluctuate
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Difference philosophy dictate management
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Children learn to fish on these streams be
careful about remove stocking.
Question #1
What are the most important elements of a desirable wild trout fishery?
Comments to
Question 1
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Catch and release
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Scenery/aesthesis
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Treasure and Value
· Condition and behavior of fish
· Multip. Factors for stream selection
· Aesthesis
· Quality
· Etc.,Etc.,
§ Abundance of Fish
§
High # of big fish
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Stocked Trout Questions Group 4/Lunch
Question#3
What actions should the Commission take to better promote the stocked trout fishery?
Comments to
Question 3
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Sponsor youth event
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Saturday stocking
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Make fishing more appealing (angler success)
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Contest tagged fish
· Expand delayed harvest
Question #1
What factors should the Commission consider in determining how many adult trout should be stocked each year?
Comments to
Question 1
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Coops grow smaller fish
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PFBC should grow fewer larger fish
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Caps established by others
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More but smaller (8: adult is big enough)
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SIZE!
Question #6
What are the most important objectives that fisheries mangers should consider in adjusting management for stocked trout fisheries?
Comments to
Question 6
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Big Fish (size)
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Stock brook and rainbow early browns later
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Species considerations
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Spread fishing out over long time more anglers
delayed harvest
· Creel return
Question #4
What advantages and disadvantages would there be in considering two opening days, one earlier than the present, that would accommodate the seasonal difference throughout the state?
Comments to
Question 4
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Aint Broke Dont Fix it!!!!
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Equipment purchases planned
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Two chances for complaint
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Slob fisherman
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Help fish distribution from hatchery
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First Saturday of April opener only
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Water Quality & Habitat Improvement Questions-Group 4/Lunch
Question #3
Youve heard a briefing about the subject of PCBs and
other chemicals in stocked and wild fish in
Comments to
Question 3
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Public Announcements
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Radio/TV
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Health Agency
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Responsible News Release
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Better define/issues/before release
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Announce Proactively
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Improve water quality
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Dont throw good money after bad
· Time define population limits Strive for march 1st news release, timing of release
· We know levels in fish we dont know levels in other things
Question #4
Although PA has millions of acres of public land, the fact is that over 75% of the Commonwealths trout waters (both stocked and wild) are on private lands. What can be done to encourage private/public partnerships to insure that theres lands and waters remain protected and open for public fishing for generations yet to come?
Comments to
Question 4
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Contact with property owners
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Offer to post signs
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Clubs to offer clean up after opening day
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Personal contact
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Enroll owners in adopt-a stream
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Obtain/buy
fishing easements
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Conservancies, rails to trails, greenways
Question #5
The Commission habitat improvement and environmental services programs are currently funded largely through the fish fund. What are your ideas about how these programs, which benefit all Pennsylvanians, should be funded in the future?
Comments to
Question 5
· Growing Green Partnerships
· Anglers shouldnt have to bear total cost
· Conservation stamp
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Earmark license to easements, purchase, develop
and maintenance
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Wild Trout Questions Group 5/Potomac
Question #4
What are your ideas on the role of harvest as part of a wild trout fishery?
Comments to
Questions 4
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Watershed Approach
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Use size as key tool
Question #5
What are your opinions on supplementing the wild trout fisheries on particular waters by stocking?
Comments to
Question 5
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Stocking good
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Need to look at $$
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Marginal wild trout dont stock
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Dont stock class B or Higher
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Only in Urban area = B
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No stocking class A stream
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Stock C & D class streams
Question #2
What fisheries management efforts do; you believe are most important in improving wild trout populations?
Comments to
Question 2
· Habitat protection/improvement, stream specific (flow, watershed, etc)
· Eliminate stocking
· Special regs
· Change size of fish stocks
· Manage scientifically (assess why some stream respond)
· Ban harvest of WT
· No special regs
Question #3
When wild trout populations on a particular stream do not improve with management, what actions do you believe would be the most important or appropriate to address the situation?
Comments to
Question 3
· Ability of resource to be rehabilitated
· Improve water quality or temp
· Revert to previous management
· Consider other alternatives
· What is contributing to failure
· Determine opt. Stream performance
· Eliminate the regulation (concentrate on ones that work
· Focus on stream buffer zones (water temps)
· Habitat protection
· Base stream management on constituent input/stream potential (natural)
· How long do we wait?
· 10 years
· Management plan should specify review date!
Question #4
What are your ideas on the role of harvest as part of a wild trout fishery?
Comments to
Question 4
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May be a problem based on stream
characteristics
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Small streams ban
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Manage on large streams
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Permit harvest
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Fish for Fun ban harvest
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limit harvest
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use size limits to save fish
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educate anglers about impact of harvest
· Stream specific restrictions use size limits
· Determine how harvest works as a management tool
· Account for natural predation/mortality bigger fish = bigger target
· Manage top 10% streams leave the others alone
· Emphasize educate/ethics
· Allow opportunity for harvest
· No fish is wasted regardless of death source!!!
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Stocked Trout Questions Group 5/Potomac
Question #3
What actions should the commission take to better promote the stocked trout fishery?
Comments to
Question 3
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Why do we need to promote stoked trout
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How much do we spend for marginal angler
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Educate as to why stockies live
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Get rid of regulated areas
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Float stock to distribute fish across current
stocked
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Year round stocking
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Promote as natural resource
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Consider economic impact to local economy
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Show anglers toasted stocked trout streams
ghost fish
Question #5
Delayed harvest regulations are one of the tools used by the Commission to manage stocked trout fisheries. What factors should be considered in determining when and how to use delayed harvest management on particular waters?
Comments to
Question 5
· Make every stocked stream delayed harvest
· Distribute fish when available
· All tackle ok
· Make sure campers/kids can keep some
· Could eliminate all delayed harvest
· Consider all tackle once kill season arrives
Question #7
What factors should the Commission use in deciding where to stock trout?
Comments to
Question 7
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No class As
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Use existing system
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Stocked trout to attract new anglers
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Urban areas
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Use of public streams
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Good access; Focus effort here
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Dont over emphasize sales over fishing
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More distribution to eliminate
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Focus on fishing experience
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Hook angels with numbers then provide more
rural experience stock
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Stock lakes more
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If its not broke dont fix it.
· Create fishing experience in rural areas
· Fixed $$
· Do best we can with what we have (PFBC determines)
· Fix big ones first
· Where most of production is from
· Survey anglers what effect would change in hatchery operation have on license sales
· Use of super streams
· Pay as you go
· If use super streams no tackle restrictions
· Increase size of hatchery trout fewer xxs
Facilitated Break out Groups
Discuss Water Quality & Habitat Improvement Questions-Group 5/Potomac
Question # 5
What are your ideas about how these programs, which benefit all Pennsylvanians, should be funded in the future?
Comments to
Question 5
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Tap local govt
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User fees for non sportsmen
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Habitat improvement bulletin
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Shift funding to H.I.
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From stocking Yes/No
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More local Inv.
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Direct local efforts to in need streams
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Facilitate application process
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Use PFBC time as match for projects
· Tipping fee
· Growing greener
· Conservation stamp for habitat
· Lobby state for more funds
· More education that fish and boat pays the bill for all users
· voluntary donation for access
Question #3
What are your ideas about how the state can best inform the angling public about these matters?
Comments to
Question 3
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No more press releases
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Continue to publish in reg book
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Be honest with info dont sugar coat it
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Pennsylvanians can handle it
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PCBs are everywhere let folks know about
levels of PCBs in other food
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Keep it simple
· The more you try to explain the worse more confusing it gets
Question #4
What can be done to encourage private/public partnerships to insure that these lands and waters remain protected and open for public fishing for generations yet to come?
Comments to
Question 4
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Buy it!
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Educate anglers to fragile relationship
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Landowner Recognition program have to be PFBC
program
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Signs for landowners
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Accept donated easements
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Water access etiquette education
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Educate landowners hoe to enter into
conservation easement tax incentives
· T.U. chapters use list if landowners to contact thank, recognize landowners each year
Question #2
What do you see as the Commissions role in habitat improvement programs?
Comments to
Question 2
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Tech assistance
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Permitting oversight review
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Additional $s
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Tools for WCOs to protect habitat
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Profession WQ assessment service
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WQ monitoring by WCO
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Database avail. For local efforts
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Showcase success stories
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Advocate for resource
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Habitat improvement == more fish
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Positive PFBC attitude
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Let streams maintain natural productivity
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Limit harvest
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More input on dirt gravel roads
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Let streams meet potential even if means stop
stocking
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Landowner incentive for habitat protections
improvement
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Education of value of wild trout